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Ronnie RadKat 4 kids; Arizona 23347 posts
Jul 24th '13
Quoting Just Ames:" This is where I'm at. My Son was in a stroller until he was almost 4 because he'd bolt and act crazy ... [snip!] ... He follows a curriculum at daycare which is pretty much a Pre-K program but it's not as demanding as school will be."


yep, my son did this until he began treatment. He did it when we were out in public, he did it at school. My now 2yr old walks next to the shopping cart with minimal guidance in grocery stores, something my 8yr old never was able to do. It was a definite struggle to say the least.

Ronnie RadKat 4 kids; Arizona 23347 posts
Jul 24th '13
Quoting Just Ames:" See my Son isn't the same across the board which boggles me. The only sense I can make of it is anxiety ... [snip!] ... been told) as far as raising his hand to answer questions, etc. So who knows, lol. Either way I'm just taking it day by day."


I think that's a good stance to take. It is what I tried to do and when it came to deciding to put him on meds or not I had a horrible time with it, it wasn't something I took lightly. It took a lot of thought but I decided that ultimately being treated for it was in my son's best interest. That's not to say that it is for EVERY child, some of the symptoms can be manageable and some kids do seem to "grow out" of them or they decrease in severity over time.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23152 posts
Jul 24th '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Tegan;thee lovely lesbian:</b>" What do you think about the abundance of children being diagnosed and medicated with/for ADHD? My brother ... [snip!] ... told me his youngest medicated ADHD patient is two years old. :shock: I'm just curious about everyone's thoughts on ADHD. "</blockquote>




I think it is WAY over diagnosed and medicated.
It's easier to give a healthy but difficult kid a pill than to use consistent discipline and constructive ways of teaching and molding appropriate behavior.
Additionally, schools are often forced to put the difficult kids in with the good kids. THAT isn't fair to anyone and drives parents to medicate.

Jenny&Boopy 3 kids; Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 9735 posts
Jul 24th '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting Tegan;thee lovely lesbian:</b>" What do you think about the ... [snip!] ... are often forced to put the difficult kids in with the good kids. THAT isn't fair to anyone and drives parents to medicate."</blockquote>




But what do you do when none of the discipline works because the child has a legitimate problem that cannot be corrected with discipline? What do you do when despite everyone's best efforts they are struggling with school despite being a very smart child?

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23152 posts
Jul 24th '13
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Jenny&Boopy 3 kids; Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 9735 posts
Jul 24th '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" A said it's WAY over Dxd and medicated. But, I DO believe there are real cases of ADHD. I'm not denying that."</blockquote>




Understandable. Sorry if I jumped the gun, there's just a lot of people who think it's never a real thing.

Ronnie RadKat 4 kids; Arizona 23347 posts
Jul 24th '13
Quoting TheNuge:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Tegan;thee lovely lesbian:</b>" What do you think about the ... [snip!] ... are often forced to put the difficult kids in with the good kids. THAT isn't fair to anyone and drives parents to medicate."


I'd just like to say that I somewhat resent the opinion you've expressed. By comparing the "difficult" kids to the "good" kids it implies that the "difficult" ones are "bad". Implying that parents who medicate their children are looking for a quick fix and that all they really need is consistent "discipline" is a very common, yet uneducated opinion on ADHD. The symptoms are wholly misunderstand by many people, it is not a case of discipline, it is caused by a lack of impulse control that stems from the over or under production of several neurotransmitters in the brain. If it were a discipline issue the "quick fix" pill is not going to help the behavior.
For most parents the choice to treat the child is an agonizing one, it's not often a matter of convenience. This line of thinking makes it an even more difficult decision for parents who have children like mine. Not only does it imply that you are not a very good parent (your child is bad/ lacking discipline) but that you are unnecessarily medicating your child for your own convenience.

Jenny&Boopy 3 kids; Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 9735 posts
Jul 24th '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting AllAboardTheCrazyTrain!!!:</b>" I'd just like to say that I somewhat resent the opinion you've expressed. By comparing the "difficult" ... [snip!] ... parent (your child is bad/ lacking discipline) but that you are unnecessarily medicating your child for your own convenience. "</blockquote>




I have to agree. It wasn't a very good way to word things. It came off more I don't believe in it and you're a lazy parent than it's just over diagnosed but I know it's a real condition.

user banned 2 kids; Minnesota 7318 posts
Jul 24th '13
Quoting Simply, Mom (TTC #3):" I have ADHD and have been diagnosed since 5 and am now 24. Mine was very severe and I was VERY hyoeractive. ... [snip!] ... around unsupervised while she picked up her Kindergartner she was pissed and said that they dont understand her kids have ODD"


ODD is most definitely a real disorder but it isn't an excuse to not discipline, lol. Maybe that mom just gave up. My kids DON'T have ODD and I still just give up some days.

Good Queen Bess Due December 27; 2 kids; Ontario 49564 posts
Jul 24th '13
Quoting TheNuge:" A said it's WAY over Dxd and medicated. But, I DO believe there are real cases of ADHD. I'm not denying that."


I remember when my brother was going through the diagnosis process, it was so simple to have him thrown into that category. The teacher filled out a form, my mom filled out a form and the doctor filled out a form....done. He suddenly became the kid with ADHD, all other testing was stopped and medication was ordered. The school wasn't even going to let him back in without it.



My mom put up a fuss, brought him to a child psychologist and had him screened by special education specialists.....turns out he was dyslexic and had sensory issues. The dyslexia caused him to become frustrated with class work and give up easily and the sensory issues made it hard for him to sit still.



ADHD for many years was a "catch-all" diagnosis.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23152 posts
Jul 24th '13
Quoting AllAboardTheCrazyTrain!!!:" I'd just like to say that I somewhat resent the opinion you've expressed. By comparing the "difficult" ... [snip!] ... parent (your child is bad/ lacking discipline) but that you are unnecessarily medicating your child for your own convenience. "


I agree. My wording didn't express my thoughts on it well. I don't think kids with SN, learning disabilities or ADHD are bad. Perhaps I should have said "easier" and "more challenging."
Also, I don't think all parents who medicate are lazy nor are all teachers who insist on it trying to skirt their responsibilities. There are just a large number who have a foot that fits the shoe.

user banned 1 child; Nunya, CA, United States 6369 posts
Jul 24th '13

It is over diagnosed AND over medicated.



I have looked into ADD and ADHD quite extensively, seeing as how HALF of school aged children, in our school district alone, are diagnosed with one, the other, or BOTH.



Without going into detail, I believe poor diet is a key factor. These kids lack NUTRITION. All of our food is over processed. It's got too many additives. It's got too many artificial ingredients, sulfites and the like. Everything is "enriched". Food manipulation plays a HUGE role in vitamin deficiencies and our kids are paying for it. On top of that, psych and mood altering drugs are eaten like friggen candy, by both kids and adults, alike.



Grrr. This topic pisses me off. No offense.

B♡ 3 kids; 1 angel baby; ,, ,, United States 17928 posts
Jul 24th '13

all I know is I for sure had/have it and I needed the meds and will get back on them after this next baby for the first time since 07 because I am going back to college and I need to focus.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23152 posts
Jul 24th '13
Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:" It is over diagnosed AND over medicated. I have looked into ADD and ADHD quite extensively, seeing as ... [snip!] ... altering drugs are eaten like friggen candy, by both kids and adults, alike. Grrr. This topic pisses me off. No offense."


I agree BUT don't pick on enriching :-)
We'd be woefully deficient in many vitamins and minerals without enrichment.
I think it's the other junk and not the vits/mins :-)

Ronnie RadKat 4 kids; Arizona 23347 posts
Jul 24th '13
Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:" It is over diagnosed AND over medicated. I have looked into ADD and ADHD quite extensively, seeing as ... [snip!] ... altering drugs are eaten like friggen candy, by both kids and adults, alike. Grrr. This topic pisses me off. No offense."


ADD and ADHD are one in the same, there used to be two diagnoses but now it is one. There are sub-types, combination would be both hyperactivity and inattention, predominately inattentive or predominately hyperactive.




I don't think it's necessarily a matter of nutrition, my household eats mostly non processed, home cooked, fresh foods, no white rice/ flour, no sugary cereals or colored cereals. When my son was diagnosed (and for the 5yrs proceeding the diagnosis) my kids went to a school that had very strict food guidelines, for example they not allow processed sugar to be in their lunches (which were packed by the parents), so they weren't getting it elsewhere.