Quoting Mommy Pwnt Pwnt[A&T]:" Lol what a small world. You make a very valid point. And I agree with you that it would be interesting ... [snip!] ... to do with that) or because I am subconsciously doing something different? Either way you have a very great opinion :)"
I didnt CIO with my son and completely regret it. no regular bed time. we had a crib he could knock over at 12 months and he took advantage of it, we had to take him out of the crib and into a toddler bed. since then, there is no 'bed time' there is 'lets try to get him to bed!'
lately its been better because my sister bought me a nook so he gets excited to go to bed to "read" or have the books read to him, then after two or three he is ok with going to sleep. I used to have to read book after book after book before he finally went to sleep...
And I am studying all this more on interest then for validation of any side or point. I am taking a lifespan psychology class and it talks about the affects of cortisol being released due to chronic stress in infants and toddlers and results later on in life, but it doesnt mention any specific instances other than physical abuse.
Quoting SophieKay:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Mommy Pwnt Pwnt[A&T]:</b>" IMO you shouldn't need an argument ... [snip!] ... sides, but the fact remains unless you live in Germany where it's now illegal, it's ultimately a personal decision to make."
Quoting human making in progress:" I didnt CIO with my son and completely regret it. no regular bed time. we had a crib he could knock ... [snip!] ... in infants and toddlers and results later on in life, but it doesnt mention any specific instances other than physical abuse. "
I got hounded a LOT and I do mean a LOT about CIO. I made a thread on here and even tried to get it to be a sticky but Mara wasn't having it. I did tons of research on it and a bunch of moms and I got together and decided if done correctly (aka not for hours and hours and trying to make sure your childs needs were met ect ect) then we were doing what we felt was right. I know several ladies I helped because they couldn't get a bedtime down and it was becoming such an issue in the house. Even myself struggled with DD at 8mo when she thought 36hr days were okay with 15min naps here and there. My mom gave me hell over it and would actually go in and comfort my DD while I was trying to get her to sleep without needing a rocking or a million milks.
I always agreed and supported non-cio parents. I even encouraged people to try everything before CIO because I knew soooo many people thought terrible things about it but it came down to respecting a different opinion.
I loved taking my dev. psych and general psych classes and had many questions for my professor about CIO and how that works. Its always been something I was interested in. I am proud to report DD is 3.5 and goes to bed regularly without issues and is very independent and out going :)
Wow I rambled... lol
We didn't do it. We both wanted it done at first but I didn't feel comfortable hurting my baby so I started researching it.. I tried for months to come up with a legitimate reason that would make me comfortable cutting part of his p***s off but no dice. I just couldn't put him through that. Plus I think trying to take care of a circ wound that I didn't even feel comfortable doing would have been hard. I mean intact Lenox care if literally wipe like a finger and leave it alone vs pulling it back and watching for adhesions and stuff didn't sound like what I wanted to do with my newfound love.. after I learned a lot about foreskins I thought they were kinda cool 2 and started to wish DH had one so I figured I wouldn't make the choice for my son.. He can get it done later if he wants but can't put it back. The more I learned about it the more I was against it. I really think it should be illegal except for religious reasons or medical reasons and that it should be done with all available pain meds and that they should educate the parents about giving Tylenol or something while it's healing. I have read MRI studies on circs without pain meds and it permanently changed that brain.. But I bet it's different with pain meds. I also think parents should be required to watch at least a video of one first to be made aware of what happens.. I personally know people who are going to have to get their sons redone bc it got a bad adhesion on it and they didn't know exactly what would happen during the circ just what the end result would hopefully be.. And I know personally a lot of friends that have circ'ed had problems breastfeeding.. I think it's a heavy cultural thing and try not to judge bc I know people are trying to do the best by our children but I just don't think it should be option.. I think of your hook to cut off random functioning body parts at birth then they could at least pick a better one. Lol. But as long as its legal and promoted as a choice it will be done and I just hope eventually it will become a thing of the past.
Quoting Commander Shepard:" I did not because I don't think it's necessary."
<blockquote><b>Quoting Mommy Pwnt Pwnt[A&T]:</b>" I got hounded a LOT and I do mean a LOT about CIO. I made a thread on here and even tried to get it ... [snip!] ... to report DD is 3.5 and goes to bed regularly without issues and is very independent and out going :) Wow I rambled... lol"</blockquote>
well im happy that you stuck with it. i think if done correctly its fine. with my son though i was too much a softy and cried whenever i tried to do it. deffinitely doing it with number 2
My son is circ'd...he had to have the procedure twice. An Ob/gyn is NOT good at doing them, just fyi. My son got his done at 2 days old, I think? I let SO decide...it wasn't a debate. He is circ'd, so our son was too.
At about 9 months old, he started getting these weird infections...okay, no debating, idgaf what anyone says. I know how to care for a circ'd p***s. Yes, you care for the folds of skin. It's like wiping between the labia when you pee. So anyway, I cleaned his foreskin roll in the morning and at night after a bath, and he had no issues. Then one day he woke up and had a hole the size of a pencil eraser around the head of his p***s. Okay wtf? ER visits, urgent care visits, pedi visits...no one knew. They just healed and went away. Finally I got a referral to a urologist, who told me that enough skin wasn't removed, and that basically my son was uncircumcised. So he gave me care sheets and told me how to care for it. But the holes kept coming. Another visit later, we decided it was best to circumcise him again. The urologist's own son actually had the same issues, and so when the urologist--the professional..the one with a p***s himself--told me that it was advisable to do another procedure, we went for it.
4 years later, my son has never had another hole in his p***s. And I believe circumcision is great. Its personal, and should be decided by the FATHER. Mothers, we dont have the equipment, so don't get all huffy over this. The dad has the parts, he knows what it's like. I didn't ruin my son by circing him.
Matter of fact....if I hadn't circ'd him, he would've lost his p***s.
<blockquote><b>Quoting DZ&JZ:</b>" My son is circ'd...he had to have the procedure twice. An Ob/gyn is NOT good at doing them, just fyi. ... [snip!] ... what it's like. I didn't ruin my son by circing him. Matter of fact....if I hadn't circ'd him, he would've lost his p***s."</blockquote>
I personally don't care what people do with their child's p***s. But you say the father has the p***s and he knows what to do. How can a man make an educated decision about something he probably doesn't know the other side of? I think people should research to make decisions that affect their children forever. KWIM?
We did not get out son circumcised because I don't find it necessary. I would never put my son in unnecessary pain or risk his life due to loss of blood. Also, just so you know, from everything that I have read and been told, babies don't sleep through it or not cry because they aren't in pain, they don't cry because they are in shock. Also this http://www.icgi.org/2010/04/infant-circumcision-causes-100-deaths-each-year-in-us/ is the MAIN reason I did not.
<blockquote><b>Quoting Ashley&Kai:</b>" We did not get out son circumcised because I don't find it necessary. I would never put my son in unnecessary ... [snip!] ... Also this http://www.icgi.org/2010/04/infant-circumcision-causes-100-deaths-each-year-in-us/ is the MAIN reason I did not."</blockquote>
Same...the risk of blood loss is not worth it. That risk is much higher for a nb with only 12 oz of blood
Quoting DZ&JZ:" My son is circ'd...he had to have the procedure twice. An Ob/gyn is NOT good at doing them, just fyi. ... [snip!] ... what it's like. I didn't ruin my son by circing him. Matter of fact....if I hadn't circ'd him, he would've lost his p***s."
My son had to have redone too because not enough skin was removed the first time. I had to basically go through the same ordeal you did. Glad he is doing better.