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P3RvYmCp3rv 2 kids; Carlyle, Illinois 11905 posts
Feb 6th '13
Quoting The Dandelion Rapist:" I am for making Government agencies work on Christmas... But I like my husband's Holiday pay. "

Ehhhhh holiday pay ehh they technically should enforce holiday pay for other religious major holidays too but they don't.

The Dandelion Rapist 18 kids; New Mexico 6885 posts
Feb 6th '13
Quoting P3RvYmCp3rv:" Ehhhhh holiday pay ehh they technically should enforce holiday pay for other religious major holidays too but they don't. "


I can't remember what Holiday's count towards Holiday pay for Aaron to be honest. I know Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years Day do. I wish my birthday and Superbowl Sunday counted. :lol:

deleteddddddddddddddddddd njknjk, wv, United States 10703 posts
Feb 6th '13

I just don't understand what the big deal is. I mean.. it's a f**king cake. They're going to get married regardless of whether or not he makes the cake. I could understand if it was a preacher refusing to marry them... but a cake?

Stfu Squirrel District of Columbia 8560 posts
Feb 6th '13

I think it's just dumb.
You run a business making and selling cakes for profit. A customer walks in and wants to buy a cake - you sell them a cake, make a few bucks, and move on to the next customer.
If I ran a bakery, I'd sell cakes to Hitler if he had cash in hand.

justanothamotha Due January 20; 130 kids; Climax, Michigan 5120 posts
Feb 6th '13

You can't decide not to service a GROUP of people. It is fine if someone walked in & you said, "I don't like YOU and I am not going to sell YOU a cake because I don't want to do business with YOU." Once you cross over into I don't like homosexuals, Jews, Christians, Muslims, Black People, short people, whatever, you are no longer in the realm of the "right to refuse service" and you've stepping into practice of illegal discrimination & rightly so. Don't want to do business with certain groups? Great, then don't open a business that services the public.

IOnlyMakeBoys (B.B.M) 2 kids; 1 angel baby; Texas 4754 posts
Feb 7th '13
Quoting Taryn - Anya's mommy:" not for discrimination reasons"

If that is their defense he could claim the same for her not respecting his religious beliefs they both could have fun with this if it went to court.

justanothamotha Due January 20; 130 kids; Climax, Michigan 5120 posts
Feb 7th '13
Quoting Mylittleone's (B.B.M):" If that is their defense he could claim the same for her not respecting his religious beliefs they both could have fun with this if it went to court."

You arne't allowed to infringe your religious beliefs on those who enter your place of business. No one is forcing him to make a cake on Sunday....and heaven help me I hope he is closed on Sunday lest he be shot down by lightning. They are asking him to make a cake, as the cake maker he is. He would have a tough time proving that making a cake, as a cake maker, is somehow infringing on his beliefs because of what celebration it is being served at. He makes wedding cakes. They aren't asking him to make a cake to celebrate an infant sacrifice here.

Mama Lizzy :] 1 child; Texas 5575 posts
Feb 7th '13

Its his right s a private business owner....but it is discrimination

IOnlyMakeBoys (B.B.M) 2 kids; 1 angel baby; Texas 4754 posts
Feb 7th '13
Quoting justanothamotha:" You arne't allowed to infringe your religious beliefs on those who enter your place of business. No one ... [snip!] ... it is being served at. He makes wedding cakes. They aren't asking him to make a cake to celebrate an infant sacrifice here."



It's all in how they want to look at it and if you have a good lawyer they can make a case out of anything and this would be his best defense because they would have to prove it on both sides to make either accusation of discrimination valid and also people are allowed certain allowances for their religious beliefs in the work place owning a business is no different he believes what he believes he could also argue she could have gone to another bakery for her cake for I am sure he is not the only one in the area. I am not saying what he did was right but in the court system and with lawyers you can argue anything.



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justanothamotha Due January 20; 130 kids; Climax, Michigan 5120 posts
Feb 7th '13
Quoting Mylittleone's (B.B.M):" It's all in how they want to look at it and if you have a good lawyer they can make a case out of ... [snip!] ... it is perfectly legal to do so although I may dislike it or feel discriminated against I can't technically do a thing about it."

I think that ought to be illegal too. Unless the establishment is somehow specific to adults (like a bar or strippers) then it makes no sense to allow ageism. What if I had an adult child who was mentally 5 yr sold - that person would be allowed in, even if they are a little loud or rambunctious based solely on age & to deny them would in fact THEN be discriminatory. Same thing like olde rpeople can talk excessively lou ddue ot hearing issues & sometimes dementia can make people act strangely - but if they said "no one over 70" they would be in a shit storm then. I think ageism is ageism & discrimination is pretty easy to spot when it happens.

IOnlyMakeBoys (B.B.M) 2 kids; 1 angel baby; Texas 4754 posts
Feb 7th '13
Quoting justanothamotha:" I think that ought to be illegal too. Unless the establishment is somehow specific to adults (like a ... [snip!] ... 70" they would be in a shit storm then. I think ageism is ageism & discrimination is pretty easy to spot when it happens."


I agree and although I hate that certain restaurants do it I choose to go to a different restaurant where my child will not be discriminated against solely on his age and not his actual behavior. It sucks but when it comes down to it if I want to go out to eat why throw a fit over one place that is being inappropriate when I can go to another place and have my child respected and still have a good meal?

justanothamotha Due January 20; 130 kids; Climax, Michigan 5120 posts
Feb 7th '13
Quoting Mylittleone's (B.B.M):" I agree and although I hate that certain restaurants do it I choose to go to a different restaurant ... [snip!] ... one place that is being inappropriate when I can go to another place and have my child respected and still have a good meal?"

I don't see standing up to discriminatory business practices as "throwing a fit" - I think it is the only way you ensure that people have free & equal access to goods & services they are entitled to under the law. I won't stand up so a 16 yr old can buy smokes or beer - they can wait, like EVERYONE ELSE, until they are old enough to purchase, but to randomly discriminate against a segment of population isn't okay with me, ever, whether it applies to me or not. I am not a lesbian. It still bothers me.

IOnlyMakeBoys (B.B.M) 2 kids; 1 angel baby; Texas 4754 posts
Feb 7th '13
Quoting justanothamotha:" I don't see standing up to discriminatory business practices as "throwing a fit" - I think it is the ... [snip!] ... a segment of population isn't okay with me, ever, whether it applies to me or not. I am not a lesbian. It still bothers me."



It bothers me to but I just choose my battles. I am a type one diabetic so I get discriminated against daily whether it be at work or even by doctors while pregnant and I stand up for myself and people like me in those situations for I am passionate about it and it affects me on a personal level.

Over half my family will not speak with me because my kids are mixed my mom's mother told me that if I was going to date outside my race that I should stay with Hispanics (she said Mexicans) because at least my kids come out looking white. Lol I don't push the issue for they are old and stuck in their ways and I don't feel the need to suffocate myself with their negativity.

So it all depends on the situation I may take offense to certain things and disagree with certain practices but I don't feel the need to raise hell whenever something rubs me the wrong way. Just seems so minor and she could have gone to a different store for the owner had sold her cakes for other things he just did not want to sell her a wedding cake that he felt went against his religion.


I am all for respecting people

justanothamotha Due January 20; 130 kids; Climax, Michigan 5120 posts
Feb 7th '13
Quoting Mylittleone's (B.B.M):" It bothers me to but I just choose my battles. I am a type one diabetic so I get discriminated against ... [snip!] ... so just as she wants him to respect her lifestyle choice she should respect his religious stand point for it is only fair."

It's funny you say that because I think the skeeziest thing is the fact that he was willing to do business with her in general & her money was good enough for him before, but now he gets all high & mighty & says her lifestyle offends him & he won't sell her THIS cake. I think that makes him look worse. In order for me to think he is even remotely capable of making a religious freedom claim then I would like to know if he asks if people are athiest before making them wedding cakes or pagan or wiccan or if a woman is married before he makes her a baby shower cake because he certainly wouldn't want to support those lifestyles either would he?

IOnlyMakeBoys (B.B.M) 2 kids; 1 angel baby; Texas 4754 posts
Feb 7th '13
Quoting justanothamotha:" It's funny you say that because I think the skeeziest thing is the fact that he was willing to do business ... [snip!] ... married before he makes her a baby shower cake because he certainly wouldn't want to support those lifestyles either would he?"




The problem with that is most wiccans/pagans as well as others listed do not have anything different on their cakes it is still a man and women so unless he asks about their religious beliefs he would not know. Being a lesbian or gay is harder to hide if you want the right topper a bride and a bride or a man and a man.

So unless they disclose that information he would never know and I highly doubt they would walk in and say hey I am getting married and by the way I am Wiccan lol just wouldn't happen.

You can choose not to agree with a lifestyle and still respect the person hence why he made her cakes that had nothing to do with her sexual preference but denied just this one cake. So to me it is not a true form of discrimination for it was he would have not allowed her even in the store. He just choose not to make one cake based on his beliefs.



Examples would be no children allowed in restaurants includes everyone no exceptions, that restaurant on the news down south that would not allow any non-white people in it referred to everyone no exceptions. For with real discrimination there are no exceptions there is only hate and disapproval which was not shown by his previous actions toward her.