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Tig Ol' Bitties Due June 16 (girl); 2 kids; 1 angel baby; d***o,, NF, Canada 4057 posts
Jan 23rd '13
Quoting LoveMyBubbaBoy:" That's good to know! Not what my family told me lol but I'm glad it's untrue for you!"


Where does your family live?

LoveMyBubbaBoy Due October 4; 2 kids; 3 angel babies; Michigan 3214 posts
Jan 23rd '13
Quoting That-Girl:" Where does your family live?"


All over... lol. I do have some in Ontario lots in Quebec and other places... I'm just glad what they said isn't the case.



I've also read it on here too. I wonder where those mama's are from.

Tig Ol' Bitties Due June 16 (girl); 2 kids; 1 angel baby; d***o,, NF, Canada 4057 posts
Jan 23rd '13
Quoting LoveMyBubbaBoy:" All over... lol. I do have some in Ontario lots in Quebec and other places... I'm just glad what they said isn't the case. I've also read it on here too. I wonder where those mama's are from."


Honestly I have seen a lot of Canadians on here that give completely false information. I have no idea why, lol.

LoveMyBubbaBoy Due October 4; 2 kids; 3 angel babies; Michigan 3214 posts
Jan 23rd '13
Quoting That-Girl:" Honestly I have seen a lot of Canadians on here that give completely false information. I have no idea why, lol."


Lol. Good thing you are here to straighten it all out. :)

user banned 1 child; Nunya, CA, United States 6369 posts
Jan 23rd '13
Quoting LoveMyBubbaBoy:" Lol. Good thing you are here to straighten it all out. :)"


This is an opinion piece...but they use hard data in it.



http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2009/07/28/statistics-show-canada-healthcare-is-inferior-to-american-system

Tig Ol' Bitties Due June 16 (girl); 2 kids; 1 angel baby; d***o,, NF, Canada 4057 posts
Jan 23rd '13
Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:" This is an opinion piece...but they use hard data in it. http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2009/07/28/statistics-show-canada-healthcare-is-inferior-to-american-system"


I'd say that data is questionable. It said that the Rebuplican Staff Economic Commitee compiled it. They would have a very vested interested in making national health care look inferior.



Keep in mind that IF those numbers are accurate they are taking into account huge rural areas and including them with the large cities. Essentially they are saying wait times are due to OHIP when they could simply be the product of having reduced access to services because someone lives in a small out of the way town. These issues are comman and experianced by rural inhabitants in the USA as well.



I live in a smallish city and have never known anyone to have to wait more than a week for surgery.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23152 posts
Jan 23rd '13

Thanks liberals!
Thanks non-liberals who didn't get off their asses to vote for Romney!



It's only going to get worse. Sorry I'm a downer about this but it is reality.

Samefa Delano, Minnesota 439 posts
Jan 23rd '13

You wont find many of our members debating on this one since many are on medicaid...and always encourage to get on medicaid everything is free for them..well yes for them but they should thank the taxpayers! My premiums go up every year while my salary goes down...I am considering finding away to get medicaid I can't afford to take care of myseld anymore my kid goes when she needs to of course but this isn't right I hate the health care and I hate the entitlement mentality..Ironically I work in health care and the most frequent fliers have medicaid!!!

The Master Due September 8; 2 kids; Perth, Australia 20023 posts
Jan 23rd '13

why dont your hospitals just refuse care to people that dont have insurance or pay up front?

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23152 posts
Jan 23rd '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Destiel:</b>" why dont your hospitals just refuse care to people that dont have insurance or pay up front?"</blockquote>




It's illegal. They are legally required to treat.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23152 posts
Jan 23rd '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Destiel:</b>" why dont your hospitals just refuse care to people that dont have insurance or pay up front?"</blockquote>




Of course, people always fail to mention that ERs can't turn people away when discussing the US health care system.

The Master Due September 8; 2 kids; Perth, Australia 20023 posts
Jan 23rd '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting Destiel:</b>" why dont your hospitals just refuse care to people ... [snip!] ... to people that dont have insurance or pay up front?"</blockquote> It's illegal. They are legally required to treat."</blockquote>




If America is going to treat health care as big business then why not do this? You cant stay in a hotel, or get on a plane, or really anything without paying up front. Then the ones who cant afford anything can just go to a clinic at amedical school or something to give the students patients to practice on. Thats how vets work here.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23152 posts
Jan 23rd '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Destiel:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting Destiel:</b>" ... [snip!] ... can just go to a clinic at amedical school or something to give the students patients to practice on. Thats how vets work here."</blockquote>




That would be logical.
While there were many examples of ERs turning away people who were in urgent need of care, making it illegal makes no sense.
Here, "they" don't want to shift the uninsured to clinics as they want the appearance of everyone getting the same care. It has crippled us. But, the "do-gooders" won and here we are.

The Master Due September 8; 2 kids; Perth, Australia 20023 posts
Jan 23rd '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting Destiel:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" ... [snip!] ... as they want the appearance of everyone getting the same care. It has crippled us. But, the "do-gooders" won and here we are."</blockquote>




I just think that if America is going to be purely Capitalist then be that and be proud of it. Make everything a business: healthcare, education, military ... if it cabt sustain itself then it shouldnt happen.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23152 posts
Jan 23rd '13
Quoting Destiel:" <blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting Destiel:</b>" ... [snip!] ... proud of it. Make everything a business: healthcare, education, military ... if it cabt sustain itself then it shouldnt happen."


While i have a solid Libertarian streak in me, I believe in having some regulations and not having pure capitalism.
Americans, in general, are proponents of capitalism but not in a pure model.
Our healthcare is far from pure capitalism. It's VERY regulated. Each state has it's own insurance commisiion and they dictate rules on what coverage is required and not required. Medicare guidelines written by the government are what lots of regs and reimbursement rates are pegged to.