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¡VinHaute! Kansas City, MO, United States 47409 posts
Jan 20th '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Destiel:</b>" I called the cops, who proceeded to turn up and chase them up the street. I'm sorry but having the death ... [snip!] ... 12 year old on my conscious is not something I could handle ... I'm glad that Americans must have harder hearts than me."</blockquote>




Youre lumping us in some large group.. Rest assured not all americans subscribe to these ideals then.
But yes, if you arent willing to shoot to kill, you probably shouldnt own a gun in the first place.

The Master Due September 8; 2 kids; Perth, Australia 20023 posts
Jan 20th '13
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¡VinHaute! Kansas City, MO, United States 47409 posts
Jan 20th '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Destiel:</b>" To me that's extremely disturbing"</blockquote>




To me, thats dog eat dog.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23152 posts
Jan 20th '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Destiel:</b>" I called the cops, who proceeded to turn up and chase them up the street. I'm sorry but having the death ... [snip!] ... 12 year old on my conscious is not something I could handle ... I'm glad that Americans must have harder hearts than me."</blockquote>




I wouldn't have shot at a bunch of kids BUT I might have shot the Geoff to scare the HEll out of them.... Or not. It depends on the situation.
And, if so wine is breaking in to MY house, they are assuming a great deal of KNOWN risk.
I'd give warning but they'd certainly be at risk for being maimed or worse. But, the knowingly accept that risk when they have nefarious intent.

Stfu Squirrel District of Columbia 8560 posts
Jan 20th '13
Quoting Destiel:" To me that's extremely disturbing"


It's extremely disturbing to me too.
Unfortunately we have so many citizens to whom "personal rights" are more important than anything else. It is one of the most defining things about our culture, but we aren't all like that.

The Master Due September 8; 2 kids; Perth, Australia 20023 posts
Jan 20th '13
Quoting Stfu Shirley:" It's extremely disturbing to me too. Unfortunately we have so many citizens to whom "personal rights" ... [snip!] ... are more important than anything else. It is one of the most defining things about our culture, but we aren't all like that."


I know a lot of people with guns, they're not 100% illegal here. However we tend to use them for Roo shooting or rabbit culling ... not a single person I know would think about using them against another person. In fact our gun laws are to the degree where it would difficult. Here if you have guns they have to be housed in a specially designed locker that the police WILL come around and check routinely. Also all ammunition must be kept in a separate locker in a different room of the house and completely out of reach of children.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23152 posts
Jan 20th '13
Quoting Destiel:" I know a lot of people with guns, they're not 100% illegal here. However we tend to use them for Roo ... [snip!] ... all ammunition must be kept in a separate locker in a different room of the house and completely out of reach of children. "


i dont know a lot about gun laws here, but some states have very strict regs about gun storage and ammo storage. Police cant just randomly search your home to see if you are doing it, but most gun owners are VERY responsible and take safetyt seriously.
We arent a bunch of idiots with loaded guns sitting on tables.
Overwhelmingly, guns here are just here for sport and hunting. we arent a paranoid nation.

Stfu Squirrel District of Columbia 8560 posts
Jan 20th '13
Quoting Destiel:" I know a lot of people with guns, they're not 100% illegal here. However we tend to use them for Roo ... [snip!] ... all ammunition must be kept in a separate locker in a different room of the house and completely out of reach of children. "


Most gun owners here do that voluntarily, and hunting is very popular in many parts of the country. Even the gun control people don't object to hunting. We have these weird cultural things, though. Our pop culture all has its roots in Wild West cowboy stuff, the concept of rugged individualism, and distrust of government. Money rules everything and we convince each other that what we have is so important that it's worth killing someone over. Also along the lines of money, we have such strong lines between the haves and have-nots. We have ghetto culture, where education is frowned upon and violence rules. Plus all the movies and games where everybody's just shooting each other... We can't show n****y on tv but during prime time turn to just about any channel and somebody's getting murdered. And a lot of Americans like it that way. I don't understand it. I find it really embarrassing.

The Master Due September 8; 2 kids; Perth, Australia 20023 posts
Jan 20th '13
Quoting TheNuge:" i dont know a lot about gun laws here, but some states have very strict regs about gun storage and ... [snip!] ... with loaded guns sitting on tables. Overwhelmingly, guns here are just here for sport and hunting. we arent a paranoid nation."


Over the past couple of weeks with threads like this one where people are talking about their right to shoot anyone who steps foot on their property ... Yeah maybe you're not all like that, but a large enough number of you seems to be. I just can't understand why someone would be so blase' about murdering someone that might just have snuck in to steal your wallet or car keys.



Here we had an epidemic of kids breaking in through kitchen windows to grab car keys off of the bench. It terrifies me to think how many people in America would have blown the head of some 9 or 10 year old kid off without a thought in the world.

The Master Due September 8; 2 kids; Perth, Australia 20023 posts
Jan 20th '13
Quoting Stfu Shirley:" Most gun owners here do that voluntarily, and hunting is very popular in many parts of the country. ... [snip!] ... and somebody's getting murdered. And a lot of Americans like it that way. I don't understand it. I find it really embarrassing."


that is one of the huge things that confuses me about America. You can't have a realistic guy couple on your tv, but shows where people are shooting each other are on prime time. Its crazy.

Stfu Squirrel District of Columbia 8560 posts
Jan 20th '13
Quoting Destiel:" that is one of the huge things that confuses me about America. You can't have a realistic guy couple on your tv, but shows where people are shooting each other are on prime time. Its crazy."


I know. I don't understand it at all.

Stfu Squirrel District of Columbia 8560 posts
Jan 20th '13

We have Puritan roots, and Christian fundamentalism is such a strong force here that I guess I can see maybe why sex and n****y aren't seen on tv. But that doesn't explain why violence is so prevalent. There's nothing Christian about murdering people, so it really doesn't add up.

The Master Due September 8; 2 kids; Perth, Australia 20023 posts
Jan 20th '13
Quoting Stfu Shirley:" We have Puritan roots, and Christian fundamentalism is such a strong force here that I guess I can see ... [snip!] ... doesn't explain why violence is so prevalent. There's nothing Christian about murdering people, so it really doesn't add up."


Having a realistic gay couple doesn't mean sex and n****y.
Also, and I've found this bizarre to the max, my country doesn't have separation of church and state. Our head of state (The Queen), is also our head of church. Yet there's none of this extremist views that seems to prevalent over there.

Stfu Squirrel District of Columbia 8560 posts
Jan 20th '13
Quoting Destiel:" Having a realistic gay couple doesn't mean sex and n****y. Also, and I've found this bizarre to the ... [snip!] ... of state (The Queen), is also our head of church. Yet there's none of this extremist views that seems to prevalent over there."


True, but to most Christian groups, homosexuality is a sin. It's better than it used to be, I mean now that there are a million channels and we have mostly loosened up a little, there are all kinds of people on tv. Most Americans either support gay equality or are just very religious.



Separation of church and state here is a myth. We do have freedom of religion so we aren't expected to all follow one figurehead, like the Queen, but "God" is all over our money and laws. We have a very corrupt system, where whoever has the most money gets to make the rules. It's all under the guise of democracy, but you can't get elected unless you've convinced people to give you millions of dollars. And they won't do that unless you convince them that you'll make the laws they want.

The Master Due September 8; 2 kids; Perth, Australia 20023 posts
Jan 20th '13
Quoting Stfu Shirley:" True, but to most Christian groups, homosexuality is a sin. It's better than it used to be, I mean now ... [snip!] ... people to give you millions of dollars. And they won't do that unless you convince them that you'll make the laws they want."


He who has the most money makes the rules? How is that different in any way to a ruling monarchy though?